UK MAN Managers Group

Notes of Meeting, 28 April 2004 at ULCC

Present:

Dave Vinograd (Convenor)

Mick Kahn (Secretary)

London Metropolitan Network

Paul Kentish

Kentish MAN

David Hayling

Kentish MAN

Ian Griffiths

EMMAN

Tim Robinson

NetNorthWest

Jason Bain

NorMAN

Chris Cheney

EastNet

Kit Powell

SWERN

Colin Tennant

MidMAN

Mike Whitehead

FaTMAN

John Linn

AbMAN

George Howat

EaStMAN

Linda McCormick

ClydeNet

Mike Byrne

LeNSE

Dave Morgan

WNL

Steve Percival

UKERNA (item 5 onwards)

Denis Russell

UKERNA (item 5 onwards)

Apologies were received from:

Graham Pryor

AbMAN

Roger Williams

WNL

Jem Taylor

UHI Network

Ed Carter

YHMAN

1. Notes of Previous meeting

1.1 Accuracy

There were no corrections to the minutes of the previous meeting held on 22 January 2004

1.2 MAN involvement in developments

This action was superseded by the establishment of the Development Task Force that would address these issues. At present, involvement in SuperJANET and UK Light development projects was arranged on a case-by-case basis.

1.3 Disaster recovery

Ian Griffiths reported that there had been no progress with the idea of the framework agreement as there had been no take up of the proposed service.

A number of related initiatives were mentioned. LMN was running an offsite, online backup pilot with a commercial provider utilising a inter link between the provider and LMN. ClydeNet and EaStMAN had installed a connection between the two MANs, funded by e-science money. LMN was purchasing a second connection to SuperJANET for resilience. Eight universities in the East Midlands had agreed in principle to provide each other with backup facilities.

It was proposed that the MANs should produce a collective report of activities on an annual basis to be placed on the web.

Action: Mick Kahn

2. Liaison with Chairs of MANs Group

The draft terms of reference were still awaited from the Chairs of MANs Group. UKMMG will agree its revised terms of reference by email to be compatible with the Chairs of MANs Group.

Action: Mick Kahn

3. Broadband aggregation

Ian Griffiths had been unable to circulate a promised paper because a meeting had been cancelled. He reported on general developments with RABs that were now being called Adits (it was not clear if this was an acronym).

4. SuperJANET5

4.1 Connections reliability paper

Mike Whitehead had circulated a draft response to the paper on connection reliability produced by Jeremy Sharp and referred to UKMMG by the Chairs of MANs Group.

The paper was discussed in detail. It was agreed that there were political as well as technical implications that needed to be addressed to ensure that institutional expectations were met. It was recognised that top sliced funding for multiple access links to each institution was unaffordable.

The following major points were agreed:

The proposal to keep solutions within the JANET domain was agreed.

The need for multiple connections to the JANET backbone from regional networks was agreed as was the need to provide UPS power to any critical hardware

The need to ensure that the core of each regional network was resilient was agreed.

UKMMG did not consider that the provision of additional access links was the complete solution to institutional resilience. It is recommended that the JISC funds a study, involving UKERNA, the RNOs and institutions to consider the full service availability picture

Any solution involving multiple access links needed to be taken into account into the SLA and monitoring.

Mike Whitehead will produce a revised response for agreement by email.

Action: Mike Whitehead

4.2 Development Task Force

It was agreed that the UKMMG representatives on the Development Task Force would be Mick Kahn, Ed Carter, Mike Byrne and Jason Bain.

4.3 Responses to UKERNA questions

It was noted that the three UKERNA questions arising from the RUSI meeting were impossible to answer completely at this stage. Only partial responses could be provided at this stage. The MidMAN response was welcomed as an example and RNOs were encouraged to share their responses by email.

4.4 JCN subcommittee

It was reported that MANs were well represented on the JCN subcommittee on SuperJANET5 procurement by Tim Robinson and Jem Taylor.

5. Fibre taxation

A number of MANs had now received requests for information. Tim Robinson reported that the University of Manchester had received a bill for 2003/04. The Valuation Office were using the same principle as Oftel and charging those who light fibres. Kit Powell suggested that the RNOs should negotiate as a class with the Valuation Office.

It was not clear what the level of cost to RNOs would be. Steve Percival indicated that this would be an allowable charge against the BAP. UKERNA would consider the issues further if there were significant additional costs.

RNOs were encouraged to keep each other informed of developments.

6. UKERNA issues

6.1 SuperJANET5 – implications for RNOs

Denis Russell proposed to visit each RNO in due course to discuss SuperJANET5. He expected that this would involve people other than the UKMMG representative.

UKERNA will revive the mans-liaison email list that will contain the members of the uk-mans mailing list plus UEKRNA representatives.

6.2 Development Task Force

The UKMMG membership of the Task Force is noted above.

6.3 JANET SLA 2004/05

Steve Percival reported that both the actual days and the public holidays for Christmas Day, Boxing Day and New Years Day had been included in the schedule for 2004/05. The availability targets will not change from the current year and the specific targets for future years have been removed.

6.4 RPAN contract

Steve Percival reported that the new contracts had now been sent out, with the current years schedules.

6.5 English FE upgrades

Steve Percival reported that the LSC had yet to give the formal go ahead, but that all the signs were positive.

6.6 ACL connections

Steve Percival reported that Robert Prabucki from UKERNA was visiting ACL providers and would welcome RNO participation in the visits.

6.7 Sponsored connections

Steve Percival reported that the JANET bandwidth charges would be fixed annually in advance. It was requested that this information was provided in February for the year beginning in August because of budgeting requirements. UKERNA will have a payment mechanism in place by August 2004, but measurement will not be available until at least 2005.

6.8 RNO Audit programme

UKERNA will not publish a full schedule. SWMAN and CANLMAN were audited in February and had encountered no particular problems. LMN and ClydeNet will be audited in May.

7. Dates of future meetings

The next meeting will be in Bangor on Monday 5 July 2004. Travel arrangements from Scotland would be extremely difficult so it was agreed that video conferencing from Edinburgh would be set up if possible.

Action: George Howat and Phil Brady

The following meeting will be in central London on Wednesday 6 October 2004. The meetings for the rest of the 2004/05 academic year will be agreed at the July meeting.

8. Any other business

Chris Cheney reported that EastNet and UKERNA had agreed that the RDN contract would not be renewed and that EastNet would have the same status as the Thames Valley Network.

Dave Vinograd thanked Chris Cheney for the many jobs he had done for the group of the years. The Group agreed that he should continue to be a member of the group if he wished to do so.

9. News from MANs

The following news from MANs was received for inclusion in the minutes.

YHMAN

YHMAN has issued a contract to replace the current 155M ATM/SDH resilient four-ring infrastructure with ‘dark’ fibre. Direct access to the fibre cable is supplement with the purchase and implementation of ADVA 2000 and Cisco 4507R Ethernet switches at each YHMAN PoP from the cable supplier. The layer-2 backbone is supplemented with two (resilient) Cisco 6509 Routers (at the JANET interconnects at Leeds and LMU). The contract provides for the hand-over of a working network. The node equipment will be owned by the YHMAN who can upgrade and replace as required during the lifetime of the cable contract 10+2 years.

The contract operates under an Irrevocable Right to Use from day one i.e. it is not triggered by supplier insolvency and stands some chance of receivership.

Node hardware maintenance has been contracted to the cable/equipment supplier for an initial 2yr period and the day-to-day operational management of the network is being retained within the universities for the initial 2yrs. This will allow market-testing 2yrs in!

The new backbone to due to ‘go live’ July 2004. If we miss July, we will hold migration though August (HE recruitment) and September (FE enrolment) and complete in October.

FE upgrades can progress in August or November.

Discussions with YHGfL are aimed at joining the YHMAN in January 2005 with some pilot LEAs in 2004.

London Metropolitan Network

Christine Cooper from LSE and a member of the LMN Technical Group is also a member of the JCN SuperJANET5 subcommittee.

LMN has ordered a second connection to the SuperJANET backbone from a different PoP to main connection in order to increase resilinience. It will go to Telehouse and is expected to be in service by July.